Very thick with cleats mounted, I feel like I need to raise the saddle whenever I ride these. Another drawback is that they're very difficult to flip over and step on, annoying when riding in the city and stopping often. They feel like floaty flat pedals with spd cleats, and that's a bit difficult to get used to :D
But they're very tough, simple, look great and do their job. A bit more finesse would've been nice, though. I got them for touring, but they're a bit big and heavy for a lightweight setup. If you're touring: you don't want these for bikepacking and credit card touring. If you're doing loaded touring, you'll probably love them, and they're great for storing backup cleats on :D
